4 dollars a gallon...

[A9]

Some of the gurus on Wall Street have said this on occasion, but I talked with my customer today who delivers gas to the local stations. He told me that by sometime in July, we could be seeing gas at $5.00/gal if not more.

If this isn't brought under control soon, we run the risk of our economy collapsing and possibly the world economy also. Food shortages are already escalating around the world. Something has to be done about the speculation on oil. Now.

No kidding. I've also heard that it could be over $5 per gallon. Something needs to happen quick....Our economy could go downhill real quick...Everything is just getting too expensive these days....

[Mike Carey]

Some of the gurus on Wall Street have said this on occasion, but I talked with my customer today who delivers gas to the local stations. He told me that by sometime in July, we could be seeing gas at $5.00/gal if not more.

If this isn't brought under control soon, we run the risk of our economy collapsing and possibly the world economy also. Food shortages are already escalating around the world. Something has to be done about the speculation on oil. Now.

With the subsidy that the government offered for farmers growing corn for ethanol didn't help with the food shortage#-o And they found it takes 1.3 gal of fuel to make 1 gal of ethonal


I see a drive in consumer demand for something else It has only taken it getting this bad:-"

Who is "They"? I believe that estimate is incorrect. Read the following book to get a nice overview on bio fuels and energy independence:

Energy Victory: Winning the War on Terror by Breaking Free of Oil By Robert Zubrin

[fishaholictaz]

Some of the gurus on Wall Street have said this on occasion, but I talked with my customer today who delivers gas to the local stations. He told me that by sometime in July, we could be seeing gas at $5.00/gal if not more.

If this isn't brought under control soon, we run the risk of our economy collapsing and possibly the world economy also. Food shortages are already escalating around the world. Something has to be done about the speculation on oil. Now.

With the subsidy that the government offered for farmers growing corn for ethanol didn't help with the food shortage#-o And they found it takes 1.3 gal of fuel to make 1 gal of ethonal


I see a drive in consumer demand for something else It has only taken it getting this bad:-"

Who is "They"? I believe that estimate is incorrect. Read the following book to get a nice overview on bio fuels and energy independence:

Energy Victory: Winning the War on Terror by Breaking Free of Oil By Robert Zubrin

I having been giving my wife a bad time about this info but it came from an economics guru who was part of her last class. It looks like sugar cane is the MOST effective crop so far for ethanol but it is hard on the soil. I hope we can come up with a way to balance it all out

[A9]

Mike: Where would one pick that book up? That sounds like a great read. I'm not keen to online shopping, and am very very interested in environmental studies and am considering it as a minor or a possible major. That or Political Science. Both are very interesting to me.

All I know is that whoever finds a viable energy source that can replace oil outright is going to be a very very rich man/woman. I hope I can get some stock into it early....

With gas at $5 per gallon, I can pretty much say goodbye to driving up to Beaver Lake/Pine Lake from Bellevue. With gas nearing $5, it would cost near/over $10 to drive there and back. I remember when I started driving. Gas was under $2.30 a gallon I believe. When it hit $3 I was so ticked off about it. I haven't had a car at school so I've been car-less since Sept. 07. Gas was over $3.00 per gallon then but not over $3.30 I don't think. I have to get a car this summer and I'll be filling up at well over $4.50 per gallon. Heck, as much as I b**ched about$3 per gallon, if we had those days back it would be a gift from god now.

Gas here in Northern Cali is at $4.40 or $4.50 now....

I have a darn funny gas price joke, but not sure if it's appropriate for the forum..I think I'll hold off on telling it, but if anyone wants it, PM me....

I'm making getting behind the wheel of a car a last resort option, almost a rare occasion. Depending on where I find a job, I'll only use a car to drive to work (if it's far away) or to get to my cabin at Whidbey Island. Nothing else. I'll be buying a bike this summer and will be riding that with a backpack to/from work if it's close, to stores, to friends houses, out to lunch, fishing holes nearby, etc. Good exercise and I'm a pretty athletic kid...I figure it'll be $70-80 to fill up my car and if I can fill up one less time per month, then I'll save that $75 and the bike will be worth the investment very fast. Not to mention doing the right thing by consuming less gasoline.

[kevinb]

Its time to start riding bikes and horses. No joke...just use the truck for longer distance fishing trips.
I can see myself rolling up to the launch at Cushman or Tapps with a horse or two pulling my boat. Aaahhh,what a site,take that Saudi Arabia

[fishaholictaz]

I can see myself rolling up to the launch at Cushman or Tapps with a horse or two pulling my boat. Aaahhh,what a site,take that Saudi Arabia

Old west style baby:cheers: =d>

[kevinb]

I can see myself rolling up to the launch at Cushman or Tapps with a horse or two pulling my boat. Aaahhh,what a site,take that Saudi Arabia

Old west style baby:cheers: =d&gt]

I guess I need to get a cowboy hat....and horses would help too#-o

[fishaholictaz]

I can see myself rolling up to the launch at Cushman or Tapps with a horse or two pulling my boat. Aaahhh,what a site,take that Saudi Arabia

Old west style baby:cheers: =d&gt]

I guess I need to get a cowboy hat....and horses would help too#-o

My mom has way too many! But those horses are as much as a car

[kevinb]

Old west style baby:cheers: =d&gt]

I guess I need to get a cowboy hat....and horses would help too#-o

My mom has way too many! But those horses are as much as a car

My mother in-law is one...so maybe I can,....um..nevermind:-#

[Rollin with Rolland]

no joke on the horse kb....it sounds crazy, but we may be seeing more of that..you wait...

so...who is going to start the $5 a gallon thread....that should be in about two weeks. (yes, 4.40 already up nort' here)

i have bought a cheap motorcycle recently, and have already had my pole/tackle/net on it and golf clubs...sadly the boat hasn't moved in a few weeks..

[kevinb]

I hear ya'.Somethings gotta change and fast,at this rate I've already had to cancel some fishing trips and that pisses me off...just like all of us. I'm going to CD'A for 2 weeks but the gas will cost a few hundred bucks.I'm growing tired of this..
One thing that is for certain.I'll be fishing many more lakes closer to home.

[lskiles]

Its time to start riding bikes and horses. No joke...just use the truck for longer distance fishing trips.
I can see myself rolling up to the launch at Cushman or Tapps with a horse or two pulling my boat. Aaahhh,what a site,take that Saudi Arabia

Horses. I love horses, but I remember way back in the early seventies when I was in highschool and gas soared up to seventy-cents a gallon we were discussing the topic in class and my teacher said that she had read a study that calculated that if there were one horse for every car in New York City there would be about a foot and a half layer of horse poop on the streets each day. I guess eventually you would have to enter the buildings on the third floor.

[bel83]

It might not revolve around fishing (wait this is the off-topic forum!) but I have already had close family members like grandparents, aunts, uncles, and my sister say that they can't make it to my wedding this August simply because it will cost to much to get here whether they are driving or flying. When the price of Gas is doing that to a strong american tradition like the family wedding then I know it is time for something to change. Heck I have even had to cancel 3 upcoming camping trips to some of my favorite camping/hiking spots why? because it would cost my fiance and I to much in food and gas and so we can't do it and still afford our wedding (we are paying for it ourselves).

I am not sure what else can be done for fuel costs. there are a lot of options and ideas floating around even on these forums but the problem is they will all take several years to impliment. the only thing that could have any sort of immidiate impact on our own pocket books and eventually on the price is to reduce the demand but that would require the entire population to stop their current fuel habits and make a major change. Personally I am doing all I can to reduce usage even so far as not just riding my bike to work (which I have done for the last year and a half) but to mowing the lawn once every 2-2.5 weeks instead of every weekend.

Ok I am done ranting for this morning I guess, just got buzzed by to many stupid drivers on my ride into work this morning :dwarf:

[Gisteppo]

Wow this kinda blew up last night....

So on the refinery issue:
This is a dirty trick that the pundits play. YES, no refinery permits have been approved by the EPA in 20 years. BUT there is a reason for it....

NO refinery permits have been SUBMITTED in that time frame. The last of the refineries were built at the end of the big gas crunch of the 70s, when the oil companies actually gave a rat's ass about people, instead of just letting prices go where they choose.

I think the solution is twofold:

1) Get federal control of the price of fuel. This is a stop-gap measure. Hold them to X number of dollars with a contingency on profit. Allow up to a billion annually in profit (over R&D, shareholders pay, etc etc). The rest is resubsidized back to gas price reduction.

2) Hold oil companies accountable for generating new technologies. These are the companies with the most money to use, the market to lose, and the most to gain if a new technology is used. If someone like Exxon/Mobil purchased the technology of Altair-Nano, and used their considerable wealth and power to build these batteries, they could wash their hands of oil completely in a decade.

More oil isn't the solution, new methods of transportation are. More oil merely perpetuates the cycle, where changing to either a new source (electric) with infrastructure or something completely different (Hydrogen) and building the infrastructure into existing facilities creates a new revenue stream.

E

[Mike Carey]

Mike: Where would one pick that book up? That sounds like a great read. I'm not keen to online shopping, and am very very interested in environmental studies and am considering it as a minor or a possible major. That or Political Science. Both are very interesting to me.

All I know is that whoever finds a viable energy source that can replace oil outright is going to be a very very rich man/woman. I hope I can get some stock into it early....

With gas at $5 per gallon, I can pretty much say goodbye to driving up to Beaver Lake/Pine Lake from Bellevue. With gas nearing $5, it would cost near/over $10 to drive there and back. I remember when I started driving. Gas was under $2.30 a gallon I believe. When it hit $3 I was so ticked off about it. I haven't had a car at school so I've been car-less since Sept. 07. Gas was over $3.00 per gallon then but not over $3.30 I don't think. I have to get a car this summer and I'll be filling up at well over $4.50 per gallon. Heck, as much as I b**ched about$3 per gallon, if we had those days back it would be a gift from god now.

Gas here in Northern Cali is at $4.40 or $4.50 now....

I have a darn funny gas price joke, but not sure if it's appropriate for the forum..I think I'll hold off on telling it, but if anyone wants it, PM me....

I'm making getting behind the wheel of a car a last resort option, almost a rare occasion. Depending on where I find a job, I'll only use a car to drive to work (if it's far away) or to get to my cabin at Whidbey Island. Nothing else. I'll be buying a bike this summer and will be riding that with a backpack to/from work if it's close, to stores, to friends houses, out to lunch, fishing holes nearby, etc. Good exercise and I'm a pretty athletic kid...I figure it'll be $70-80 to fill up my car and if I can fill up one less time per month, then I'll save that $75 and the bike will be worth the investment very fast. Not to mention doing the right thing by consuming less gasoline.

It's a fairly new book so Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Borders, etc would all have it. If you're willing to wait get on the library hold list. Only took two weeks for me. He goes into a lot of fasinating areas and history to build his position. Hghly recommended.

[kevinb]

Its time to start riding bikes and horses. No joke...just use the truck for longer distance fishing trips.
I can see myself rolling up to the launch at Cushman or Tapps with a horse or two pulling my boat. Aaahhh,what a site,take that Saudi Arabia

Horses. I love horses, but I remember way back in the early seventies when I was in highschool and gas soared up to seventy-cents a gallon we were discussing the topic in class and my teacher said that she had read a study that calculated that if there were one horse for every car in New York City there would be about a foot and a half layer of horse poop on the streets each day. I guess eventually you would have to enter the buildings on the third floor.

Maybe with all the manure,we can send it to China.We've been taking their crap for awhile now,I figure we could return the favor.

[lskiles]

1) Get federal control of the price of fuel. This is a stop-gap measure. Hold them to X number of dollars with a contingency on profit. Allow up to a billion annually in profit (over R&D, shareholders pay, etc etc). The rest is resubsidized back to gas price reduction.

E

Wow, this is a great suggestion, comrad!

[michaelunbewust]

IM ON BOARD WITH THE POST WITH ALL OF THE MIDDLE EASTERN OIL COMPANIES G-STATIONS. WE USE CONOCO-PHILLIPS. MY GIRL MADE A BIG STINK, BECAUSE SHE LIKES THE CHEVRON WITH TECHRON (ME, TOO), BUT, NOW UNDERSTANDS WHY I CHOOSE TO BUY MY GAS ELSEWHERE. WE AS A FAMILY WILL NOT SUPPORT THE SAUDI'S!!

[Gisteppo]

Comrade is the correct spelling. Typically you have a salient point instead of a pointless attack, so this is very out of character for you Lew.

The idea isn't to stifle the oil industry, it is to stop foreign oil altogether. You make it the oil industries job to either find new fuels, find domestic oil, or develop new technology.

Look at it through a different set of eyes. We have done nothing but let the "free market" and "competition" run unabashedly to where we are now. Is the free market and the massive competition between 4 companies going to bring fuel back to an affordable level? What will give us either fuel we can afford or technology that makes fuel obsolete? If we give business the ability to run without controls, we have slave labor, low pay, high corporate profits, and dangerous working environments that cost lives. If we use due process and find controls which benefit not only the employee, but also the consumer, while giving profit to the shareholders and REASONABLE profits to the corporation, all of us come away happy, right?

E

[lskiles]

Pardon the spelling error, spellcheck and my public education failed me.

I oppose government control of anyone’s profits. I truly believe that it can have no effect, but to stifle industry, any industry. You have already said, in your opinion, at least part of the problem is the greed of the oil companies, so if you restrict there ability to profit, what do you have for incentive?

“If we give business the ability to run without controls, we have slave labor, low pay, high corporate profits, and dangerous working environments that cost lives.”

This is a pretty negative viewpoint, even for a unionist.

You and I will have to agree to disagree on this subject. I do not align myself with the party called Libertarian, but I am a (small l) libertarian. I truly believe in the American people and in American business.