Appropriate Report Comments - Retaining vs. C&R

[kevinb]

Yeah, I saw another slam on a fishing report because someone LEGALLY kept a sea-run cutt.

Harassing people for LEGALLY keeping fish is just down-right retarded. Maybe we should add a qualifer to our fishing reports like:

"I caught and released 5 fish."


* - Fish were released into hot oil. :chef:

Oh man thats funny.

[kuttkilla]

Yeah, I saw another slam on a fishing report because someone LEGALLY kept a sea-run cutt.

Harassing people for LEGALLY keeping fish is just down-right retarded. Maybe we should add a qualifer to our fishing reports like:

"I caught and released 5 fish."


* - Fish were released into hot oil. :chef:

Oh man thats funny.

I've got to the point now where posting a report is meaningless. People harrass you, throw names at you, and just give you an all around hard time. I can take it]Joe Heater[/b], a great member and great guy saying he'd C&R the fish right into the guy's boat at 45mph. I couldn't stop laughing after reading that. People have really nothing better to do if they are harping on someone doing what is legal. All I know is some people fish LW religiously and come up empty handed...I am just trying to help some people learn the fishery -- but many people have had it up to their necks with my reports...I might lay low for a little while...sorry if that upsets anyone...just know I'll be out there in my aluminum boat doing my thing...and if you have the nerve to come up to my boat again...I will C&R that fish right into the side of your boat...then we'll call it even. :jocolor: I don't settle things on the internet, nor will I partake in a meaningless C&R conversation. I will say this, I have enough fish to last me some months now, and ALL my fish will be released...but that doesn't give anyone the right nor entitlement to belabor someone for doing something that is totally legal...what is ethical to one person may not be to another...let me ask you this -- If you eat meat... "livestock" and then come on here and give me a bad time about keeping some fish, you are a hipocrite. If I get any more demeaning emails or PM's you will be immediately suspended from this forum and Mr. Carey will have his way. Don't preach the C&R SRC on me man, I've caught over 450 cutthroat trout in that lake in under one year and I have only kept maybe 60. That doesn't even dent the population...even the SRC's are healthy in that lake...and don't tell me otherwise cause I fish it 250 days/year, so I think I would know. Oh and if you do approach me man to man, I'd be more than willing to take you out and show you the ropes like I have many a members on this site. It's sour apples like you that ruin it for the rest of us...think about that one...how do you feel now?

[michaelunbewust]

killa, envy is a plague like cancer. ive read your reports, and, you do let quite a few go. i for one enjoy your reports, due to the fact, i want to learn the fishery. do not let retards get your goat. i let them get to me one time, and, blew my cork. shouldnt have happened if i would have minded my business, and, let the moderators handle the issue. there is alot of feeble-minded individuals that will callyou out on the "net", but, in reality, all bite and no bark. please, continue to post. you have helped way more people than those few who pm you. also, for a side/note, the police will look into any kind of harrassing email, even with "veiled" threats. i turned in a couple a lil over a month ago, and, they do look into them. the fellows involved with those kind of emails will be getting a nice visit from law-enforcement in the next few weeks, not to ticket/arrest them, but, to insure they know the laws governing those kind of emails. some people might think its a waste of the police's time, but, they sure dont! they look at it like its preventive maintenance. it might take them awhile to get back to you, but they do.its becoming more and more like the phone service we all have, where, it is against the law to call someone and harrass them. although the lines are gray now, they are becoming more clear as new laws roll out. LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR NEXT POST!!

[HillbillyGeek]

I wouldn't get too worked up about it kuttkilla. There will always be morons out there who can't resist the urge to share their stupidity with others.

They are not worth getting your blood pressure up. Sometimes it's even fun to tease them with a sarcastic reply like "Thank you for the unsolicited lecture on ethics".

That usually shuts 'em up...

[kuttkilla]

killa, envy is a plague like cancer.

please, continue to post. you have helped way more people than those few who pm you. also, for a side/note, the

police will look into any kind of harrassing email, even with "veiled" threats. i turned in a couple a lil over a month ago, and, they do look into them.

Thanks michaelunbewust. I've almost gone to LE about certain PM's but have so far let them slide. I appreciate your kind words and encouragement; trust me, it keeps me going and posting for others to enjoy...after all, that's what it's all about. Maybe I can get a kid or two and their dad or family on the water and on some fish -- a father and son fishing trip on LW is very memorable. I know many a members that love to do this with their kids...thanks again, I will keep posting reports, except the fish will be in the water when the pictures are taken because I want to ensure complete survival upon the release (vs. bringing the fish aboard and taking pictures), so the quality of my shots may go down...

[kevinb]

Hey Kutt
I'm sorry to hear that a small few are still giving you BS. I enjoy your reports. You bring a wealth of knowledge to the fishery and all around good company. Hope to see more tips and reports from you.
Thanks again
Kevin

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Who kills more fish? The guy catching and keeping a legal limit or the guy that catches and releases many more? It is a proven fact that a large percentage of fish caught and released become dinner for the birds or other fish. Fish are stressed to the limit and mortality rates are very high after a long battle. That being said I am not convinced the “C&R” crowd has got it right. I believe a person should keep or release all fish regardless of size until the legal limit is reached. This goes for both fresh and saltwater.

[kuttkilla]

I believe a person should keep or release all fish regardless of size until the legal limit is reached. This goes for both fresh and saltwater.

Interesting point, I like it, because the mortality upon C&R is not always known. There was a study undertaken about this...I'll have to find it...I'm downscaling my hooks and pinching all the barbs...this will only facilitate the C&R process.

[Coastfishin]

Kutt,
I have never fished Lake Washington. Until I joined this forum I never thought there would be that good fishing there.
I appreciate your reports and your knowledge of this lake. After reading your reports I am starting to think maybe I will take a road trip and fish there this summer.
Keep doing what you do and don't let a few morons ruin it for you.

[bpm2000]

I believe a person should keep or release all fish regardless of size until the legal limit is reached. This goes for both fresh and saltwater.

can u elaborate on why you feel this way?

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"Fish die for a variety of reasons after being caught and released by an angler, but usually they die from the physiological stress caused by the struggle during capture or from injuries caused by the hook or the angler. Some fish may die even though they appear unharmed and despite efforts at revival. Fish that struggle intensely for a long time during capture are usually exhausted and stressed from the accumulation of excessive amounts of lactic acid in their muscles and blood. Severe exhaustion causes physiological imbalance, muscle failure, or death."

I believe that "catch and release" can and does work if: 1) The struggle time is minimized. 2) The fish is not removed from the water and 3) the fish is not harmed and bleeding from the hook wound. With all that being said how many times have you seen a fellow angler drag a fish onboard, grab it tight while ripping the hook out of its mouth and just give it a good toss. I believe a small percentage of fellow anglers know or care how they release fish. So many people abuse the right to catch and release so why not demand an angler stops fishing once a daily limit is reached. This is just one man's opinion!

[A9]

I believe a person should keep or release all fish regardless of size until the legal limit is reached. This goes for both fresh and saltwater.

Interesting point, I like it, because the mortality upon C&R is not always known. There was a study undertaken about this...I'll have to find it...I'm downscaling my hooks and pinching all the barbs...this will only facilitate the C&R process.

There are MANY different studies regarding catch and release mortality rates. All sorts of different fish and methods are tested, and a quick search of "catch and release mortality rates" in google can lead to a few hours of searching through various different reports/tests....

Many think 5% is about average. Of course, fishing with bait brings that up quite a bit and there are many different ways to reduce the damage inflicted on caught fish, all in hopes of turning them back to the water safely.

[JT26]

When i release fish, i try not to touch them at all. i grab the line and see if they will fall of by them selfs. if that does work, i grab the hook with plyers and turn it upside down (if that makes sence) and try not to shake the fish.
I learned that because last year at Phantom i killed alot of innocent perch and felt bad.

[kuttkilla]

When i release fish, i try not to touch them at all.

This is what I'm going to do out on Lake WA from now on...I'm not going to touch the fish. I'm going to use that X-tools hook remover and pull down on the line and the hook will come right out since the barbs will be pinched. Good point.

[Rosann G]

Please keep posting as I too enjoy reading your posts and love hearing how much fun you have fishing. You are certainly good at it. I am not a trout fisherwoman but I always read your posts anyhow.
R

[Toni]

I, too, enjoy your reports but I will never drive to Lake Washington to fish. I enjoy reading reports of other people's successes or even failures.

[kuttkilla]

Please keep posting as I too enjoy reading your posts and love hearing how much fun you have fishing. You are certainly good at it. I am not a trout fisherwoman but I always read your posts anyhow.
R

Thanks Rosann G, and Toni. The reports will keep coming even during times of slow fishing and hot fishing. I appreciate your support! You all rock!

[Dave]

I’m late in the game for this post and have just read everyone’s comments. I think KuttKilla is a very talented fisherman. He consistently catches large trout on a very large lake which as we all know can be a major challenge. I am impressed with every report he posts and it seems he always does well. Always is a strong word but it fits him and his success rate perfectly. I love to eat fish and usually keep the fish I catch. I smoke many of the trout I keep and the rest get baked or BBQ’d after the trip. Same for salmon. I also utilize my food saver which as many of you know keeps the fish fresh in the freezer for over 12 months. I also package my smoked trout and salmon in food saver bags which will stay fresh in the refrigerator for up to one year and in fact get better the longer you let them sit. I agree that killing a fish for a picture or a pat on the back is a poor decision and I don’t condone it. There are a lot of stupid people in this world today and unfortunately many of them go fishing. These same folks are the ones who are loud on the water, rude at the launch, and leave their trash behind. They suck and I would love to round them all up and stump train them. Unfortunately, they pass this behavior on to their kids who grow up to be idiots just like their dads. I get the catch and release concept and to those who practice it, good for you but don’t judge those who harvest fish to eat. It’s that simple. KuttKilla, don’t stop posting your reports. We all love to hear how well you are doing out there and enjoy the pictures as well. Anyone who posts a negative reply looks like an idiot to the rest of us so don’t sweat it, just ignore it bro. To all; Good luck and good fishin.