Humptulip winter steelhead

[goodtimesfishing]

Brat Bonker- I think you are referring to the weekend crowd.

[Brat Bonker]

Brat Bonker- I think you are referring to the weekend crowd.

about what, I was mostly talking about locals and some others that I met.

[RiverChromeGS]

FF is a great guide and great fisherman IMO.And a cool guy!!! Haters are going to hate,just keep slayin FF. Do what you do!! Which is catching LOTS of fish!!

Thats the plan!!!

[Mike Carey]

Joining and making your first post a violation of the site policies you just agreed to is the only "tool" behavior I see around here. Back to fishing ...

[kromekrusher]

So let me get this straight: Just cause I am new, it means I have to be nicer than everybody else even though my point of view is valid? What got me to join is to partake in discussions, and I have read plenty of negativity. I dont get it. I have a beef because I live in Concrete and I consider the Cascade to be my home river (though the Skagit is closer). Up to last year, I could always find the place to my liking. But now it seems that there are twice the people, and they all arrive 2 hours before sunrise. Come to find out that a guy has been expoloiting my local opportunities by promoting the cascade all over the internet. My first post disappeared for some reason, even though it was not offensive. Whats wrong with my perspective here?

[bigskyx]

"Whats wrong with my perspective here?"
Self-centered, ill-informed, judgmental for starters.

[Mike Carey]

Again, read the terms of service that you agreed to when you join the site, which includes not harrassing other members on the site.
Opinions are fine, name-calling and harrassment is not.

Last I looked, the Cascade was available to everyone to fish and write about.

[RiverChromeGS]

So let me get this straight: Just cause I am new, it means I have to be nicer than everybody else even though my point of view is valid? What got me to join is to partake in discussions, and I have read plenty of negativity. I dont get it. I have a beef because I live in Concrete and I consider the Cascade to be my home river (though the Skagit is closer). Up to last year, I could always find the place to my liking. But now it seems that there are twice the people, and they all arrive 2 hours before sunrise. Come to find out that a guy has been expoloiting my local opportunities by promoting the cascade all over the internet. My first post disappeared for some reason, even though it was not offensive. Whats wrong with my perspective here?

The cascade is a 1/2 mile long river with nothing but hatchery brats. Every single river with fish like this now days is CROWDED. The cascade has not become like this because of me. Skookumchuck, cowlitz, reiter, even places like they bogey on the OP. is it not true that these are all MUCH more crowded every single year? The cascade has become more crowded right along with everything else, and its certainly not me that has caused it all. I have plenty of places i will not guide and keep secret for steelhead, nowdays you cannot expect to fish a river loaded with fish and not have it be loaded with people, bottom line. You would be majorly suprised how much i fish and catch and it never hits the website

[Mike Carey]

I feel your pain exploiting a small stream for your own financial benefit is bs to me. But i guess on the bright dide theyre hatchery fish. I try to stay out if it and fish places that are hardly posted these days darn near everything is though. But you don't have many options up north like us south and west side guys do.

And this is an OK way to express an opinion on this web site. It's the name calling and harrassment that is specifically not going to be tolerated. There are other sites that are OK with that behavior, but we want the site to be civil (well, as civil as one can get on the internet...)

I personally don't get it, the hatcheries are paid for by our taxes in order to raise fish specifically to be caught by anglers. The guide and the clients pay those very taxes and certainly have every right to fish any place they choose. I see no issue here. So only locals can fish or talk about their local hatchery returns? I must be missing something.

[bigskyx]

I personally don't get it, the hatcheries are paid for by our taxes in order to raise fish specifically to be caught by anglers. The guide and the clients pay those very taxes and certainly have every right to fish any place they choose. I see no issue here. So only locals can fish or talk about their local hatchery returns? I must be missing something.

I'm with you Mike. Everyone holding a WA state fishing license has equal rights on any river in the state regardless of where they live. Blaming FF's reports for the crowds on the Cascade is nonsense.

[RiverChromeGS]

I second that also mike, these are hatchery fish rivers made for anglers to go and catch fish, and made for guides to make a living. You do not see me posting reports and pics on rivers that do not fit this description. Like i said before, everything gets more crowded every year, cascade would have the same pressure with or without internet reports and pics. You want a river to yourself? Head to the coast and hike 5 miles, you aint gonna find it here

[racfish]

How did all this cagatho start in the thread called Humptulips? Steelheading is a great sport. To me its the best of the best of fishing. If you dont wake up early enough and dont get a place to fish then my suggestions are. Drink less booze the night before. Dont stop for breakfast in the morning.Git to the hole you want earlier. Go get em FF.

[3footvis]

& the Skagit is such a small river....no place to fish but the Cascade ;)

Think about the local economy & the cash that gets brought in from all those people driving hours to get up there.

[Brat Bonker]

not to much to offer in marblemount though other than an inn and a couple resturants, I always dreamed about creating a tackle shop up there for some odd reason but I imagine people that fish up there would stock up before they go though especially at holiday sports.
I have done good on the skagit with either plugs, spoons or spinners, that is all for the steelhead.

[RiverChromeGS]

& the Skagit is such a small river....no place to fish but the Cascade ;)

Think about the local economy & the cash that gets brought in from all those people driving hours to get up there.

Yep. No opportunities there. Gotta be at the hatch hole on the scade for a steelhead. Otherwise no way to catch a fish

[Brat Bonker]

I blew that theory out of the water FF haha could not get one to save my life there for 2 days then I fish above it and get 1 in only 4 hours of fishing, at what level can you cross the 2 nd fork of the cascade to get to the mouth from the bridge side, I REALLY want to try that stretch.

[RiverChromeGS]

gotta be pretty low, like maybe 700 cfs or less not sure tho cant take me word for that, never tried.

[Brat Bonker]

where do you cross than below the log jam or down by the mouth? I tried it when it was 300 cfs below the log jam and probaly could have made it but did not feel like getting stuck over there or drowning either haha.

[RiverChromeGS]

where do you cross than below the log jam or down by the mouth? I tried it when it was 300 cfs below the log jam and probaly could have made it but did not feel like getting stuck over there or drowning either haha.

I can do it below the logjam at 900 cfs

[Brat Bonker]

that is some sketchy water too, we have tried walking down from the ramp and crossed the first mouth then had trouble at the second one though a couple years ago.